Bert-Jan:
It is not a colored B&W Photo but original WWII Color.My notes (finally
found them)state it was an FAA repair depot in the UK.
Hub

Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
clipped wings!

Brian

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> wrote in message
ng.com...
> Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
> clipped wings!
>
> Brian
Sorry Brian, only one of this place I have ever found.
Hub

> wrote in message
ng.com...
> Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
> clipped wings!
>
> Brian

I believe the very first batch of Corsairs for the FAA (Mk I) did not have
"clipped" wings, but that subsequent marks (II,III and IV) did have them.
If this is a Mk I, it should have the original "birdcage" canopy, but it's
quite hard to tell because of the angle of the shot.

Regards

Pat Macguire

"Pjmac35" > wrote in message
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>
> > wrote in message
> ng.com...
>> Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
>> clipped wings!
>>
>> Brian
>
> I believe the very first batch of Corsairs for the FAA (Mk I) did not have
> "clipped" wings, but that subsequent marks (II,III and IV) did have them.
> If this is a Mk I, it should have the original "birdcage" canopy, but it's
> quite hard to tell because of the angle of the shot.
>
> Regards
>
> Pat Macguire


Looking more closely, I think you can see the canopy framing, rather than
the one-piece "blown" hood, thus confirming a Mk I (possibly!).

Other interesting points are the gas-detection diamond on the port wing and
the fact that the aircraft are lashed down.

Regards

Pat Macguire
>

"Hub Plott III" > wrote in news:46c19379$0
:

> Bert-Jan:
> It is not a colored B&W Photo but original WWII Color.My notes (finally
> found them)state it was an FAA repair depot in the UK.
> Hub
>
>
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> end
>

Thanks very much for the repost,

Looking very closely I still think it is a coloured B/W or at least it's
been "helped".
Nevertheless, it's very nicely done and I still think it is VERRRRY
interesting and I'll very gladly add it to my collection of "harvested-
from-the-net-and-groups" pics.

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Cheers,

Bert-Jan

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:18:18 GMT, wrote:

>Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
>clipped wings!
>
>Brian

Great mix! 2 Seafires, a Corsair, 1 Martlet, 2 Barracudas and a nose I
can't identify. Very nice pic.

As a fan of the FAA, thank you!

"Bert-Jan" > wrote in message
...
> "Hub Plott III" > wrote in news:46c19379$0
> :
>
>> Bert-Jan:
>> It is not a colored B&W Photo but original WWII Color.My notes (finally
>> found them)state it was an FAA repair depot in the UK.
>> Hub
>>
>>
>> begin 666 1174595730.jpg
>>
>> Attachment decoded: 1174595730.jpg
>> `
>> end
>>
>
> Thanks very much for the repost,
>
> Looking very closely I still think it is a coloured B/W or at least it's
> been "helped".
> Nevertheless, it's very nicely done and I still think it is VERRRRY
> interesting and I'll very gladly add it to my collection of "harvested-
> from-the-net-and-groups" pics.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Bert-Jan

But if someone was "colouring" a B/W original why would they show the grey
on the Seafire and that on the Corsair as so different, or at least
differently weathered? And the gas-detection patch faithfully rendered in
its sort of zinc chromate colour, and the red primer on the repairs to the
starboard wing? Too clever by half, I think!

To me, it certainly has an authentic, genuine look to it, but then maybe I'm
just guillable!

Regards

Pat Macguire

> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:18:18 GMT, wrote:
>
>>Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
>>clipped wings!
>>
>>Brian
>
> Great mix! 2 Seafires, a Corsair, 1 Martlet, 2 Barracudas and a nose I
> can't identify. Very nice pic.
>
> As a fan of the FAA, thank you!

Having blown the picture up and used a fair amount of imagination, I think
the unidentified nose sticking out of the hanger to the left is second Sea
Hurricane, and behind it a whole bunch of mechanics are swarming over a
third. Is the second Seafire the one behind the two Barracudas?


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"Dave Whiley" > wrote in message
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>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:18:18 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>>Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
>>>clipped wings!
>>>
>>>Brian
>>
>> Great mix! 2 Seafires, a Corsair, 1 Martlet, 2 Barracudas and a nose I
>> can't identify. Very nice pic.
>>
>> As a fan of the FAA, thank you!
>
> Having blown the picture up and used a fair amount of imagination, I think
> the unidentified nose sticking out of the hanger to the left is second Sea
> Hurricane, and behind it a whole bunch of mechanics are swarming over a
> third. Is the second Seafire the one behind the two Barracudas?
>
>
>I thought that was another Martlet, something about the height and the
>dihedral of the wing?

Regards

Pat Macguire

"Pjmac35" > wrote in
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>
> "Bert-Jan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Hub Plott III" > wrote in
>> news:46c19379$0 :
>>
>>> Bert-Jan:
>>> It is not a colored B&W Photo but original WWII Color.My notes
>>> (finally found them)state it was an FAA repair depot in the UK.
>>> Hub
>>>
>>>
>>> begin 666 1174595730.jpg
>>>
>>> Attachment decoded: 1174595730.jpg
>>> `
>>> end
>>>
>>
>> Thanks very much for the repost,
>>
>> Looking very closely I still think it is a coloured B/W or at least
>> it's been "helped".
>> Nevertheless, it's very nicely done and I still think it is VERRRRY
>> interesting and I'll very gladly add it to my collection of
>> "harvested- from-the-net-and-groups" pics.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bert-Jan
>
> But if someone was "colouring" a B/W original why would they show the
> grey on the Seafire and that on the Corsair as so different, or at
> least differently weathered? And the gas-detection patch faithfully
> rendered in its sort of zinc chromate colour, and the red primer on
> the repairs to the starboard wing? Too clever by half, I think!
>
> To me, it certainly has an authentic, genuine look to it, but then
> maybe I'm just guillable!
>
> Regards
>
> Pat Macguire
>
>
>

I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can also.
I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.

What I think: for instance.

The orange cones in the top right ALL have the same hue of orange.

The ladders on the right are also all the same colour.

The yellow spinner in the background seems too yellow to me. All yellow
spinners are the same yellow.

The skin tone of the guy IN the first plane on the right is very visible
and is the same as the guys in front of the picture, while the guy in front
of said plane is NOT skin tone.

All overalls are the same colour blue.

There is a very unreallistically distinctive boundary between the skin tone
and the blue overalls.

The tarmac and painted "white" lines and colours of the spit seem to be
original black/white. As do the rows of trees in the background.

The green of the vegitation in the front of the picture is the same as
everywhere except in the hills where it is very grey.

The patch of green on the right is just too neatly green.

There is a very distinctive/weird grey/green separation in the trees in the
background.

All in all the colours just seem to be a bit "forced" to me.



But I could be wrong and this does not take away the fact that this is a
very interesting picture.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:48:39 +0100, "Dave Whiley"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:18:18 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>>Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair without
>>>clipped wings!
>>>
>>>Brian
>>
>> Great mix! 2 Seafires, a Corsair, 1 Martlet, 2 Barracudas and a nose I
>> can't identify. Very nice pic.
>>
>> As a fan of the FAA, thank you!
>
>Having blown the picture up and used a fair amount of imagination, I think
>the unidentified nose sticking out of the hanger to the left is second Sea
>Hurricane, and behind it a whole bunch of mechanics are swarming over a
>third. Is the second Seafire the one behind the two Barracudas?


Isn't the one at the end, facing us (yellow spinner) a Seafire? With
such a narrow track landing gear...

> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:48:39 +0100, "Dave Whiley"
> > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:18:18 GMT, wrote:
>>>
>>>>Fabulous! Got any more? I'm especially intrigued by the Corsair
>>>>without
>>>>clipped wings!
>>>>
>>>>Brian
>>>
>>> Great mix! 2 Seafires, a Corsair, 1 Martlet, 2 Barracudas and a nose I
>>> can't identify. Very nice pic.
>>>
>>> As a fan of the FAA, thank you!
>>
>>Having blown the picture up and used a fair amount of imagination, I think
>>the unidentified nose sticking out of the hanger to the left is second Sea
>>Hurricane, and behind it a whole bunch of mechanics are swarming over a
>>third. Is the second Seafire the one behind the two Barracudas?
>
>
> Isn't the one at the end, facing us (yellow spinner) a Seafire? With
> such a narrow track landing gear...


Thick wing + dihedral starting from centre-section not wing root =
Hurricane.


Regards

Pat Macguire

On 15 Aug 2007 22:45:47 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:


>
>I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can also.
>I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.
>
>What I think: for instance.

(snip)

Bert-Jan - If this is a manually coloured photo, please find the
"colourer", and he can come and do the painting and weathering on my
model railroad. The colours on the wooden hangars are superb,
weathering on wing roots and roundels very impressive.
Colours might be a bit over-exposed, perhaps from the scanning
process?

Ken

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"Ken Murphy" > wrote in message
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> On 15 Aug 2007 22:45:47 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can also.
>>I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.
>>
>>What I think: for instance.
>
> (snip)
>
> Bert-Jan - If this is a manually coloured photo, please find the
> "colourer", and he can come and do the painting and weathering on my
> model railroad. The colours on the wooden hangars are superb,
> weathering on wing roots and roundels very impressive.
> Colours might be a bit over-exposed, perhaps from the scanning
> process?
>
> Ken
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And don't forget to take into account that if it WAS a colour original, it
would be subject to the vagaries of early emulsions and/or slide film
coatings. Plus ,as pointed out, there's the scanning process and the
variation in people's monitors....?

Regards

Pat Macguire

Ken Murphy wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2007 22:45:47 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:
>
>
>> I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can also.
>> I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.
>>
>> What I think: for instance.
>
> (snip)
>
> Bert-Jan - If this is a manually coloured photo, please find the
> "colourer", and he can come and do the painting and weathering on my
> model railroad. The colours on the wooden hangars are superb,
> weathering on wing roots and roundels very impressive.
> Colours might be a bit over-exposed, perhaps from the scanning
> process?
>
> Ken
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I think most of it can be explained by processing
in Photoshop or similar. Using some of the
sharpening tools can produce the some of the
effects. Some manipulation of the color curves
could produce others.

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> Ken Murphy wrote:
>> On 15 Aug 2007 22:45:47 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can
>>> also. I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> What I think: for instance.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> Bert-Jan - If this is a manually coloured photo, please find the
>> "colourer", and he can come and do the painting and weathering on my
>> model railroad. The colours on the wooden hangars are superb,
>> weathering on wing roots and roundels very impressive.
>> Colours might be a bit over-exposed, perhaps from the scanning
>> process?
>>
>> Ken
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> I think most of it can be explained by processing
> in Photoshop or similar. Using some of the
> sharpening tools can produce the some of the
> effects. Some manipulation of the color curves
> could produce others.
>

OK, look at the attached picture.
I've taken all the colour out and now it is a very nice WWII era B/W
picture.

Look at the camouflage scheme of the Corsair. (I could not find ANY
reference to that kind of scheme, by the way)
On the port wing the dark patches are made green, on the starbord wing the
dark patches are left grey.
If this is true then our painter mixed up the colours.

Can anyone provide me with a colour profile of this scheme?.

The propellor tip of the spit has been painted yellow, but the prop tip of
the Corsair, which has the same hue in the B/W picture, has not been
painted yellow, but now I start nit picking.


--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan

"Bert-Jan" > wrote in message
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> Lynn in StLou > wrote in
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>> Ken Murphy wrote:
>>> On 15 Aug 2007 22:45:47 GMT, "Bert-Jan" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I dont know why, but when you can think of it, the "painter" can
>>>> also. I just said it "LOOKS" coloured to me. I could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> What I think: for instance.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> Bert-Jan - If this is a manually coloured photo, please find the
>>> "colourer", and he can come and do the painting and weathering on my
>>> model railroad. The colours on the wooden hangars are superb,
>>> weathering on wing roots and roundels very impressive.
>>> Colours might be a bit over-exposed, perhaps from the scanning
>>> process?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
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>>
>> I think most of it can be explained by processing
>> in Photoshop or similar. Using some of the
>> sharpening tools can produce the some of the
>> effects. Some manipulation of the color curves
>> could produce others.
>>
>
> OK, look at the attached picture.
> I've taken all the colour out and now it is a very nice WWII era B/W
> picture.
>
> Look at the camouflage scheme of the Corsair. (I could not find ANY
> reference to that kind of scheme, by the way)
> On the port wing the dark patches are made green, on the starbord wing the
> dark patches are left grey.
> If this is true then our painter mixed up the colours.
>
> Can anyone provide me with a colour profile of this scheme?.
>
> The propellor tip of the spit has been painted yellow, but the prop tip of
> the Corsair, which has the same hue in the B/W picture, has not been
> painted yellow, but now I start nit picking.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Bert-Jan
>
>
There was a time when portrait photos of families, etc. would be taken in
black and white because that's all there was, then an 'artist' would color
the photo based on what he saw of and around the subject . . . perhaps . . .
that's what occurred here rather than photoshop???

>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bert-Jan
>>
>>
> There was a time when portrait photos of families, etc. would be taken
> in black and white because that's all there was, then an 'artist'
> would color the photo based on what he saw of and around the subject .
> . . perhaps . . . that's what occurred here rather than photoshop???
>
>
Yeah, I know.
I don't know what happened to this pic.
To be very honest, maybe nothing happened to this picture. It is just that
I (ME) do have a feel that it has something done to it.
But then again I could be wrong.

--
Cheers,

Bert-Jan